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Possible build for elementalist commander?
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Levik Greywind
I already have a tag on my elementalist (for helping lead PvE and guild events) and wanted to help more in WvW when there's either a shortage of commanders or for possibly getting a small group of guildies running together once or twice a week. While I know heavy classes tend to fare better at the frontlines, I already have a tag on my ele as well as it being my favorite class and main since the game's launch. I'm used to running glass staff from mid to backlines and don't die often due to knowing how to position myself, but I realize I'll need to be closer to the combat when using the tag to rally others to my spot.
So I'm pretty sure for traits it'd be 0/0/10/30/30 (or a variation of it) to be a bunker ele, but unsure on what stats would be best. Unsure between knight, soldier, cleric, sentinel, or even celestial. Any recommendations? And I'd love to use staff because static and water fields have been really helpful large fights.
I would love to help out with this but I haven't really toyed around with my ele that much. I have her as a healer. She doesn't hit very hard but she can survive just about anything. I mainly use her for zergs...lol
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Cast meteor storm on zerg, switched attunements for fury, pop your tornado elite to bring your attack above 5k, admire the 26x 6-10k crits landing on the zerg, pick up bags.
Command on my ele all the time with this build, perma vigor, loads of combo fields. Don't go too deep tho, if you get in shit use burning retreat.
Need more high damage staff eles, a group of 5 can melt a zerg.
By the way evasive arcana is a bit of a waste on staff.&&The cast on dodge is more useful for dd, where you are in close all the time, but on staff, you wanna save your dodges to avoid damage at the right time. So play around with throwing those 10 points somewhere else. (If fact play around with all your traits, except the fire line is pretty much crap).
If your looking for more toughness, Knights is fine to start with. Where you are zerker right now, I would slowly add in knights pieces till you fine the sweet spot between damage and survivability.
Jakeleak, on 10 January 2014 - 02:40 PM, said:
If your looking for more toughness, Knights is fine to start with. Where you are zerker right now, I would slowly add in knights pieces till you fine the sweet spot between damage and survivability.
Normally, this would be the case. If you're going to command, then you want survivability - everything else comes second. If you go down, it drastically hinders your ability to command. Cleric's/Knight's/Soldier's/Sentinel's/Cavalier's would be the way to go, Traiting 0/0/20/30/20, or putting 30 in arcana and instead using Arcane Wave for an AoE immobilize or chill (it's been mentioned Evasive Arcana isn't amazing for staffing, but you can use it for the extra heal if you want it). Elementalists are already targeted above most other classes, you are an elementalist with a commander tag, a prime target for periphery to pick you off, and you should be expecting to survive alongside other classes that are naturally tankier.
Ideally, you shouldn't command on a backline since it's harder to coordinate your pushes on one, and frontlining with the lowest health light armor in the game is what is known as A Bad Idea(TM). Unless you really want to command on an elementalist, I would suggest using/rolling a different class, possibly guardian, maybe warrior.
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Levik Greywind
Was just wondering if it was possible, since I always seem to get bored quickly on other classes and already have a tag on ele from PvE. I'm also no swimming in cash, so 100g is a pretty big chunk of cash to me.
Viable, but not optimal. You can tell people to attack where you drop your spells, but your spells don't have a commander tag above them so there's always going to be some ambiguity when you issue orders. You can possibly try using focus off hand and try to stay near the frontline but if your guys don't respond promptly, you are so dead.
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Levik Greywind
Well, if it doesn't work it, it doesn't work out. I might give it a try if there's just a time where no one else is leading and I'm in WvW and see how it goes. No real loss because I already had the tag. But thinking if I give it a go with a larger group, soldier and clerics would be a good mix. Clerics to increase my healing so I can heal a greater % of my HP since HP would increase too with soldiers.
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Teldec, on 10 January 2014 - 02:16 PM, said:
Cast meteor storm on zerg, switched attunements for fury, pop your tornado elite to bring your attack above 5k, admire the 26x 6-10k crits landing on the zerg, pick up bags.
Command on my ele all the time with this build, perma vigor, loads of combo fields. Don't go too deep tho, if you get in shit use burning retreat.
Need more high damage staff eles, a group of 5 can melt a zerg.
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Slein Jinn
Commanding on an Elementalist isn't ideal, but it certainly is viable.&&The reason it's ideal to command on a Guardian or Warrior is that they can perform their natural roles fully whilst also commanding whereas other classes have to sacrifice their own abilities in order to command, but any class can be built to do the job, and Elementalists actually fare better than most.&&I've commanded on an Ele quite a lot in the past (though these days I tend to play my Guardian for the aforementioned reasons) and I'm very much a frontline, fight-orientated commander--not just a karma trainer.&&
I wouldn't want to command in Staff on an Ele, though.&&While it can be nice to personally control water fields, it's just not well suited to frontline play at all.&&I usually go Sceptre/Dagger for groups no bigger than 10-15, and Dagger/Dagger for larger groups.&&In smaller sort of semi-zerg settings, it's still prudent to be calling targets and focusing down individuals, and S/D is optimal for that, but as the zergs get bigger, the cleave damage on D/D becomes more desirable (added bonus: it'll get you more loot bags).&&
As for a build, there isn't really that much to change.&&X/X/X/30/20 is the standard basis for basically any viable Ele WvW build, and that's no different here.&&Trait your cantrips in Water and take condi removal on Regeneration, then Vigour on crit (for D/D--Vigorous Sceptre for S/D) and Elemental Attunement in Arcana.&&The last 20 you can really do anything with.&&I used to frequently just stay in the 10/10/0/30/20 that I used when playing backline staff, with Internal Fire and Bolt to the Heart.&&You could go 0/20/0/30/20 with Air Training instead of Internal Fire, though, since you're going to be sitting in Air mashing Lightning Whip a fair amount of the time.&&You can also go 10 or even 20 into Earth.&&Stone Splinters is excellent for 10 points, but I'd be hesitant to go deeper jus Rock Solid is tempting and certainly useful, but it's not a stunbreak, so with such a short duration, it's not a clear must-have.&&In the end, I'd probably say ideally take your pick between 0/10/10/30/20 and 0/0/20/30/20.&&
You're going to be running at least two, and in all likelihood three, cantrips.&&Mist Form and Armour of Earth are no-brainers.&&Lightning Flash is an awesome skill, but less practical when commanding, so consider Cleansing Flames instead.&&You could take the Tougness signet or Arcane Wave or maybe even a Conjure, but cantrips are just so strong defensively, it's hard not to bring three.&&Ether Renewal is the only choice for a heal, but take care not to get it interrupted.&&Ele elites are all a bit underwhelming, but Fiery Greatsword and Glyph of Elementals are both useful in their own way.&&If you use the Glyph, be sure to pop it from Water Attunement for a decently survivable pet that drops water combo fields.&&
The real place to bunker up is with the gear.&&You're going to want to run almost full Soldier's gear.&&Maybe keep two to three Berserker's trinkets slotted at most.&&You are the most fragile class in the game, so you have to compensate for that.&&Whereas a Guardian or a Warrior might be able to get away with mixing in quite a lot of damage in their gear, an Elementalist just can't.&&Soldier gear isn't as bad for DPS as you might think, it does still main Power, which is the one stat to rule them all.&&Note that with such low crit damage, Soldier's will actually do more damage than Knight's.&&You'll want Melandru's runes and a Sigil of Energy.&&The other Sigil is u Force is the default option, but you could take Restoration or something, too.
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Levik Greywind
Thanks for the advice. Nice to hear from another ele. Chances of me actually trying it now are higher since I'm about to graduate and will have more free time as well as the ability to swap traits in the field with the update.
Like people have said above Levik, commanding on any class can be done, its just not optimal for most classes right now. I strongly suggest what some of the others have said when it comes to Surviving as a commander. If the commander goes down, rarely do I see the commander-less zerg win. Seems like you are already thinking of going closer to the bunker side of things, which is great in my opinion. I like Slein Jinn's way of thinking when it comes to builds.
Just as a side note, keep in mind that commanders who are having fun playing the game usually fair better then commanders who seem like they aren't. If you get bored on other classes, play the class you enjoy playing. Your zerg will thank ya for it in the end. It also breaks up the usual way of things.
&Let's see who is commanding in our BL...... oh, a warrior......&.
&Well, lets go to EBG and see who is commanding. A guardian.... great..&.
Levik Greywind
Sounds like the old bunker D/D ele from PvP is the general consensus. But I'm thinking Dagger/Focus might be better for the job because of the invlun and reflect + condi clear in earth, and swirling winds in air. Would off-hand dagger really help if I was to bunker it up in comparison to what focus gives? But I can see dagger more helpful for smaller fights though.
Slein Jinn
Offhand Dagger has some really key stuff.&&CC and mobility are both key for frontliners, and you've got a lot of both of those on your offhand dagger, along with a nice heal and a great fire field.&&Almost every skill in the of focus is a lot more niche.&&I suppose technically it is more tanky, but survivability is as much about mobility as it is tankiness, and also keep in mind that, while surviving is priority #1 for a commander, it's not the onl you want to be contributing too.&&I'd say focus is viable, but D/D is ultimately better.&&
Keep in mind that reflect is generally pretty bad in WvW; most of the damage comes from ground targets and melee cleaves rather than projectiles.
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Levik Greywind, on 14 April 2014 - 08:42 AM, said:
Thanks for the advice. Nice to hear from another ele. Chances of me actually trying it now are higher since I'm about to graduate and will have more free time as well as the ability to swap traits in the field with the update.
I want to add something to this that everyone overlooked it seems Levik...commanding isnt all about your toon...make a party of 3...one warrior and guardian maybe that you play with often...and that will stay on your tag nomatter what...you get all kinds of bonuses and protection from the guard...and worst comes to worst the warrior can banner you back up or hammer stun, etc so someone can revive you fast.
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苏联　　苏联任务从抵御日本入侵，到进攻欧洲，反击日本，最终战胜日本和美国为止。其中包括除掉（被诬陷）背叛的库可夫将军以及与总理反目的剧情，最终玩家扮演的将军成为万人景仰的新总理。　　盟军　　盟军起初拼死抵抗进攻的苏军，然后联合苏联对付日本。其间杀死反共的总统阿克曼，又与苏联搞僵，终于打败另外两方。最后新总统上任，规划了建立自由平等的新世界的宏伟蓝图。　　日本（旭日帝国，台译“升阳”）　　日本起初攻打苏联，再到抵御美军（后来对抗美苏联军），最后反击苏联和欧洲获取胜利。其中天皇之子达郎的超级机器人“将军刽子手”以及向美国总统体内植入纳米机器人的情节，科幻色彩十足。　　人物介绍：　　【苏军阵营】　　安纳托尼·查丹科总理 Premier Anatoly Cherdenko （Tim Curry 饰）：原本只是一个上校的他狡猾的利用了时间机器，从而使自己在新的时间线中成为了总理。是一个笑里藏刀的老狐狸，很危险的家伙。　　尼可莱·库可夫将军 General Nikolai Krukov （Andrew Divoff 饰）：苏俄将军，性格与2代里的大胡子无异，处处与玩家的角色做对且嫉妒心理极强。在苏军任务中被查丹科栽赃借玩家之手除掉了他。　　格雷戈尔·赛林斯基博士 Dr. Gregor Zelinsky （Peter Stormare 饰）：时间机器的发明者，苏军中比较善良的知识分子。在盟军任务中为了推翻车登可夫的阴谋而叛变，将苏军改变历史的事实泄漏给了盟军。　　情报官达夏·费多洛维齐 Dasha Fedorovich （Ivana Mili??evi?? 饰） ：苏军情报官。　　狙击手娜塔莎 Sniper Natasha （Gina Carano 饰）：苏军狙击手，疑似老鲍和小贾的传人。拥有可以一击射穿数个敌人的狙击步枪，并可以像ZH里的GLA小贾一样用穿甲弹杀死敌方战车驾驶员，还拥有呼叫轰炸机炸毁敌方建筑的特权。　　指挥官夏娜·阿肯斯雅 Commander Zhana Agonskaya （Vanessa Branch 饰）：苏军女性指挥官，被宣传用来鼓动士兵加入苏俄空军。喜爱用空中单位。　　指挥官欧列格·凡丁 Commander Oleg Vodnik （Dimitri Diatchenko 饰）：从出身卑微的动员兵一路升到指挥官。脑袋一条筋，战术直接简单，但是在战场上认真负责，是个值得喜爱的人物。　　指挥官尼可莱·摩斯克芬 Commander Nikolai Moskvin （Gene Farber 饰）：神经性虐待狂加歇斯底里症患者，酷爱以残忍的手段对付敌人，战术疯狂而野蛮，是个很可怕的家伙……　　【盟军阵营】　　霍华德·T·阿克曼总统 President Howard T. Ackerman （J. K. Simmons 饰）：有强烈的反共思想的美国国总统，由于是乡下出生的缘故，这个人说话很直接也搞笑，做事如秋风扫落叶，让人有点头疼。　　罗伯特·宾汉陆军元帅 Field Marshall Robert Bingham （Jonathan Pryce 饰）：英国籍的盟军总帅，相当与2代的萌军光头将军。　　情报官伊娃·麦肯金娜 Lieutenant Eva McKenna （Gemma Atkinson 饰） ：盟军通讯官。　　特别探员谭雅 Special Agent Tanya （Jenny McCarthy 饰）：自从红1就一直在战场上活跃的盟军女特工，所有资料均为保密（包括她穿的袜子的颜色，汗…）。　　指挥官温伦·富勒 Commander Warren Fuller （Randy Couture 饰）：与玩家并肩作战的指挥官之一，海军陆战队出生，性格沉默寡言，是只干不说的类型。　　指挥官利塞特·韩利 Commander Lissette Hanley （Autumn Reeser 饰）：与玩家并肩作战的MM指挥官，喜欢用海军单位。看似稚嫩的她却可以在瞬间给低估自己的对手给予严重打击。　　指挥官吉尔利斯·皮尔斯 Commander Giles Price （Greg Ellis 饰） ：与玩家并肩作战的英国指挥官，虽然废话很多，但是他出色的战术使他不失为一个可靠的盟友。　　【旭日帝国】　　芳朗天皇(Emperor Yoshiro)（George Takei 饰）：被人民视为神人的日本天皇，强烈的相信“天命”注定了旭日帝国将统一世界。　　皇太子达郎（Crown Prince Tatsu）Ron Yuan 饰） ：比较西化的皇太子，不相信“天命”而相信武力和帝国强大的科技。为人较缺乏耐心。　　情报官富士衫 (富士杉 Intelligence Officer Suki Toyama)（Kelly Hu 饰）：旭日情报官，性格开朗且爱开玩笑，与帝国的其他死板着脸的将军们形成了鲜明的对比。　　奥米茄百合子（Yuriko Omega）：旭日特种兵，拥有强大的精神力。身世不详，暂时未在过场动画中露面。　　指挥官长间晋三（Commander Shinzo Nagama）（Bruce Asato Locke 饰） ： 天皇芳朗的军事顾问，老谋深算的大叔，外号为“帝国之阴影”，喜欢用步兵。　　指挥官天西贤治 （Commander Kenji Tenzai）（Jack J. Yang 饰） ：很自大的家伙，其家族管理着帝国的机械社，喜欢用机甲部队淹没敌人。　　指挥官白田直美 （Commander Naomi Shirada）（Lydia Look 饰）：面貌丑恶的大阿姨……据说长年住在军舰里，喜欢操纵海军单位。
我才玩得两天
我感觉没2好玩
这个具有魔兽的画面 风格
还是不好玩
人物技能方面之类的
给人感觉就是 想仿魔兽
结果不但把自己原来的风格丢了 还仿了个四不像 不过有些兵种比较实用
就像多功能步兵车的改进
但好东西也只是星星点点
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同意小兵的那个！！造小兵是王道！初期就可以出奇制胜！越拖对自己越不利！
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